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  • 1.  Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-13-2023 07:47
    Hi,

    I have a grad student working on thermally sprayed bondcoats for thermal barrier coatings.  We are going to be looking a lot at the oxide formed on these coatings, both as stand alone coatings, as well as in composite layers within a thermal barrier system (ceramic top-coat, on top of a metallic bond coat, with a thermally grown (TGO) oxide in between).

    In the past I have found it very challenging to prepare nice cross sectional images of the oxide layer, particularly at the surface of coatings, but also within the TBC layered structure.  Mostly this has been due to fracture and pullout of the oxides using my "conventional" prep method for thermal spray coatings. I realise that there is a lot of proprietary knowledge/experience on TBC sample prep....but I would sincerely appreciate any advice on preparing cross sections in a manner that retains the surface or TGO layers for analysis.

    Related to this......our technician recently "rediscovered" an old vibratory polisher when we relocated labs.  I have struggled to find much information on recommended procedures for vibratory polishing or information regarding the sort of materials that it is best suited for.  Has this type of polishing been superseded by more recent polishing consumables....or does it still have value in particular cases, particularly for oxidised cross sectional samples?

    Thanks in advance
    Steve Matthews

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    Steven Matthews
    The University of Auckland
    Auckland
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  • 2.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-15-2023 09:31
    Dear Steve, when we were studying the constitution of nitride layers, which in some cases are prone to spalling, we used to clamp together two cross-sectioned nitrided samples (both bearing a hole to allow a tight clamping by a screw and a nut). In such a way nitride layers were preserved from smearing or spalling. Oxide layers can be prepared in the same way.

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  • 3.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-15-2023 09:31
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    Steven -

    Remember to use the least force, longer time, and better vacuum impregnation
    with Specifix-20, Epo-Thin, or the equivalent from a reputable vendor.

    Accepted Practice for Metallographic Preparation of Thermal Spray Coating Samples
    DOI: https://doi.org/10.31399/asm.tb.tstap.t56040030
    Published: 2022  (Free.......................Free at last...................)

    See the attached.....

    regards,
    - Jim




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    Jim Quinn, Dir. of Laboratories
    Materials Sci & Chem Eng
    Stony Brook University
    Stony Brook NY
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  • 4.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-16-2023 09:10
    Hello Steve, 

    I would agree with the advice from Jim for the low viscosity resins. These are particularly important when preparing TBC's to support the porous structure of the coating during sectioning and grinding/polishing steps. For the bond coat oxide scale you are looking at, it will also be helpful to support the oxide layer during preparation as they tend to be quite easy to damage. As the TSS instructions suggest, better to cold mount in epoxy before cutting. 
    A further point would be to look at the curing temperature and shrinkage behaviour of the epoxy being used. If you cure them at higher temperatures and/or they are of the high shrinkage type; they tend to exert a lot of adhesive force on the oxide layer. This can be enough to pull the oxide off the metallic layer below. The detachment will lead to further polishing defects. Its best then to use a slow curing epoxy for this. 

    One other prep method that can be useful is to plate or deposit a layer of Nickel on top of the oxide layer that you are going to investigate before it is mounted for cross section. The extra layer above the oxide will help to protect it during preparation, forming a kind of oxide sandwich if you like. I have seen this done for particularly delicate samples.

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    Consultant
    Thermal Spray Innovations
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  • 5.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-16-2023 12:17
    Steve,

    I have not tried this personally so I can't advocate for it but I've heard of people using electrolytic polishing as an alternative to conventional mechanical polishing techniques for certain alloys that are difficult to polish for one reason or another (such as soft metals that smear). It's the same general setup as electrolytic etching but the current is higher because you're basically ablating the entire surface rather than selectively attacking particular phases. Granted, differences in conductivity between your substrate and coatings may render the method unsuitable if that effects a substantial difference in rate of attack but you can look into it. You don't need special equipment really, just a power supply.

    This may be a bit of a cop out and, to be clear, I have no financial affiliation with any lab equipment companies, but I'm sure that someone in that industry that sells polishing equipment (like Buehler) will have legions of knowledgeable sales staff ready to take your call, and your money, to deliver you the perfect solution.

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    Product / Process Metallurgist
    Ellwood Texas Forge Houston
    Houston TX
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  • 6.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-16-2023 14:45
    Hi Steve
    Some great answers already.  The "best practices" link posted by James Quinn is a great reference and well worth reading.
    There is too much detail to put in a post like this, but I will cover many of the key areas to consider.  Apologies in advance for the length of the post!

    Your challenge will be retaining brittle areas, and keeping the sample flat.  All preparation steps are important, and we can help more specifically as you start in the work - but key considerations are:
    - Protect the sample during any sectioning step.  This can include orientation, correct selection of consumable, conservative parameter selection and sometimes (especially with test coupons) mounting before sectioning
    - Make sure specimen is cleaned, and completely dried prior to mounting.  Consider
    • ethanol soak (to pick up water - easier to get ethanol out of the sample than water)
    • oven drying/vacuum drying to get deeply absorbed moisture out of porosity
    • use a low viscosity epoxy
    • mount under vacuum, cycle the vacuum 3-5 times
    • cure under ambient conditions (usually OK) or in a pressure pot (@ 2 bar, sometimes help ensure no shrinkage gaps on some samples)
    - Supporting the epoxy with a filler (such as FlatEdgeFiller) or second sample can help protect edges - but can also slow preparation steps a bit.
    - 1st grinding step should match the level of damage potentially introduced from sectioning.  Grinding can do more damage than sectioning!
    - You have options with grinding/polishing steps - pay attention that each step is long enough to remove damage from the prior step.
    - The grinding/polishing step -most often not done correctly is the first diamond slurry step after fixed abrasive grinding.  This must be long enough to recover grinding damage. 
    - Ideally use very flat polishing surfaces such as UltraPol at 9micron, Trident at 3micron/1micron
    - Aim to keep polishing steps to a minimum - <2mins.  If scratches remain after that much time, correct the penultimate step to leave finer scratches.  This helps to avoid rounding in edges.  A manufactured foam polishing pad (ChemoMet) may give better results than a traditional napped surface.

    Some more general recommendations:
    - Inspect the sample at each step. 
    - Avoid abrasive that is similar in size to the coating/layer dimension (or brittle feature)
    - If using Diamond grinding discs, follow with a short (<1min) step on SiC paper - fresh SiC is much less damaging that diamond grinding discs at the same grit size
    - keep polishing surfaces well wetted, but not flooded
    - Use complementary rotation (head and base in same direction) for all steps
    - Use central force preparation if possible (easier to maintain flatness of samples).  If using individual/single force, be careful to grind more conservatively/finer grit sizes

    We can give best advice once you've started - especially when we see how your specimens react to various stages, and can advise on "tweaks". Email techsupport@buehler.com at any time (or you can contact me!)

    Vibratory polishing
    Recommendations likely depend on the manufacturer, but these are really easy to use.  Best use is to vibratory polish for 20-60 minutes after a full mechanical preparation.  This can enhance polishing results and help with flatness.  Typically we would use a napped cloth (Microcloth or TexMet) and the same polishing abrasive that is recommended for final polishing - most often colloidal silica.  There are various options regarding appropriate load and movement speed settings that depend on sample size and circumstance, which we can assist with.  Vibratory polishing can be used for other steps, but is not usually so advantageous for steps other than final polishing, for this kind of sample.




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    BUEHLER,Buehler a Division of ITW
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  • 7.  RE: Cross section preparation of oxides on coatings & Vibratory polishing

    Posted 01-17-2023 15:33
    Steven:

    I tend to agree with the gist of the other responses that say to reinforce the outermost layers of your x-section with liquid resin, or make a "sandwich" of coupons, before hot-mounting, grinding and polishing.  Enhancement of the resin with alumina powder, steel shot or whatever additive is most agreeable with the abrasion resistance of your specimen might be something to consider, too. 

    As for vibratory polish, my lab routinely uses a vibratory polisher, usually with colloidal silica, for as much as 6 hours.  Alumina is the alternative to colloidal silica, but does not have the attack-polish tendency of high-pH silica, and the silica is finer than the alumina.  The vibratory polisher with silica does a nice job of polishing dissimilar layers, such as metal and oxide, without creating relief between them as grinding and diamond polishing often do. 

    Best regards, Richard Chinn

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    Richard Chinn
    Research Materials Engineer
    National Energy Technology Lab
    Albany OR
    (541) 967-5986
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