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"Gun Quality" steel

  • 1.  "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 11-29-2023 10:54

    Hello All,

    We are looking to remanufacture a 1930's firearm component. The engineering drawing calls for alloy steel 8620H (Gun Quality). Does anyone know exactly what "gun quality" means?



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    Ronnie Smith
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    Manufacruing Technology and Serv
    Oxford AL
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  • 2.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel
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    Posted 11-30-2023 07:43

    Good Morning Ronnie, 

    We deal with Specialty Alloys.  I checked my files and for Gun Quality, I have a spec of MIL-B-11595E(MR) as a reference.  Let me know if you have a copy, if not I can email that to you. I am not sure if it will have all the information you need, but it may help.



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    Debbie Peterson
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  • 3.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 11-30-2023 10:03

    Thanks Debbie!

    Please send that spec to: rsmith@mfgts.com. You have answered a question that I have been looking for a long time. Thanks!!



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  • 4.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 11-30-2023 10:07

    I just sent the PDF, I hope it helps



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    Warrensville Heights OH
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  • 5.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 12-01-2023 11:10

    Hi, Debbie,

    The rest of us are in suspense, wanting to know what gun quality Steel is. Can you give us a sentence or two that says what makes steel gun quality?



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  • 6.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 11-30-2023 09:55

    Hi,

    ASM is testing a chat bot technology that is based on OpenAI's GPT-3.5 but that also has some training on ASM Handbook and technical book content. I asked the bot a version of this question and got the following response. I would be interested in feedback on the accuracy, relevance, and usefulness of the response.

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    "Gun quality" in the context of alloy steel like 8620H refers to a specific designation of steel that is intended for use in firearms. This designation implies that the steel has been manufactured and tested to meet certain stringent criteria that are essential for the performance and safety of firearm components. These criteria may include, but are not limited to, the following:

    • Controlled Chemistry: The composition of the steel is tightly controlled to ensure consistent performance and to meet the mechanical properties required for gun components.

    • Mechanical Properties: The steel must have the appropriate hardness, strength, and toughness to withstand the pressures and stresses encountered during the firing of the weapon.

    • Surface Quality: The steel should have a high-quality surface finish to minimize the risk of fatigue and stress corrosion cracking, which are critical for parts such as barrels and receivers.

    • Magnetic Particle Testing: For certain applications, the steel may undergo non-destructive testing such as magnetic particle inspection to detect surface and near-surface discontinuities that could lead to failure during use.

    • Macroetch Testing: This test may be used to reveal the macrostructure and to check for homogeneity and absence of harmful defects in the steel.

    • Amount of Discard: This refers to the practice of discarding a certain portion of the steel (usually the end pieces of a bar or billet) to ensure that the remaining material is free from potential defects that could affect its performance.

    The "H" suffix in the steel grade 8620H indicates that the steel is of "hardenability" grade, meaning it is guaranteed to meet the hardenability requirements set by AISI-SAE standards. Hardenability is a measure of the depth and distribution of hardness induced by quenching, which is critical for steel parts that must have a hard, wear-resistant surface and a tough core, such as those found in firearms.

    In summary, "gun quality" steel is engineered to meet the rigorous demands of firearm manufacturing, ensuring reliability, safety, and performance of the firearm components made from it.



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  • 7.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 11-30-2023 10:00

    Interesting, from what I read in the MIL spec reference in my previous post, all of those criteria were covered. 



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  • 8.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 12-01-2023 08:53

    Hello Ronnie,

    Here is an interesting link you might want to give it a look.  https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=406807.  Or just google "alloy steel 8620H Gun Quality".  The MIL standard Dabbie mentioned is also referred in the link.  It sounds like that "Gun quality" maybe a term of the past or related to DOD procurement spec.



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  • 9.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 12-01-2023 11:34

    The period got included in the hyperlink, which makes it not work. It should be: https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=406807

    I tend to agree with a comment in that thread saying that the distinction might have been more important in the days of open hearth steelmaking. I would expect any EAF 8620H today to be better quality than 8620H from the 1930s. There have been multiple revolutions in steelmaking since that time. I also agree that these qualifiers, including more contemporary terms like aircraft quality, often have non-specific meanings and primarily serve the purpose of letting the supplier know the application and that the material will be more carefully scrutinized.



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  • 10.  RE: "Gun Quality" steel

    Posted 12-03-2023 10:16

    Given the title of the referenced Mil Spec is "BAR, METAL AND BLANKS, STEEL (UNDER 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER) FOR BARRELS OF SMALL ARMS WEAPONS", I think it clear this is exactly the gun quality spec. It is still active today.



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