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  • 1.  Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 16 days ago

    I obtained a bachelor's degree in Materials Science and Engineering. During my last year of college, I worked as a laboratory assistant underneath a graduate student. I really enjoyed the hands-on experience of being in the laboratory. The various projects I did were tensile testing, heat treatment, hardness testing, and lots of imaging and data analysis.

    I would like to go into research and development in the future. It would be great if it was in a Materials setting, but I want to keep my options broad and diverse. What Master's degree would be recommended that would prepare me, and make me look favorable, for research jobs that involve more practical testing as opposed to theoretical design?



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    Stephen Para
    Saint Charles IL
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  • 2.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 16 days ago

    Hi Stephen - If I were you, I would build upon my bachelor's degree by pursuing a Master of Science degree in Materials Science and Engineering.  However, you should seriously consider the pursuit of a doctorate, which carries much more clout than the MS degree and potentially positions you for a higher ceiling in your career.



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    Ronald Parrington
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    Applied Technical Services Inc
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  • 3.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 16 days ago
    Stephen -

    Quite honestly, I would recommend reading the appropriate ASM books/handbooks
    and ASTM standards over most Masters degree programs.

    regards,
    - Jim




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  • 4.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 15 days ago

    Based on what you have written, I recommend that you study the curriculum of any master's program you are considering to choose one that broadens your field of knowledge, not narrows it.  I would also recommend, based on your writing, that the curriculum include material failure analysis - a field that will always be marketable.  One step at a time, do the Masters now and you have time to think about a PhD.  If you should desire to work at a very high level of research or teach on the University level, the PhD is important,  But if you would like to be employable almost anywhere, the PhD may make you overqualified for many positions in small to medium size operations.  I am a big proponent of having a Masters.



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    David Toler
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    Easton PA
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  • 5.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 15 days ago

    From my perspective, it's a no-brainer -- MIT!



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    Gerson Ecker
    ECKER-ERHARDT CO INC
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  • 6.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 15 days ago

    Stephen,

    Unfortunately, the answer to this is 'it depends on what you want to do.'  If you are looking to do your own research, a MSE won't get you very far.  You will need to have the Ph.D. because the training to do independent research makes a big difference.  The classes are the same, but you'd likely need to take more of them.  Many of the top materials science departments (e.g., Johns Hopkins, Northwestern) don't offer a straight MSE-- it's awarded if you don't pass the qualifiers.  For some perspective, in the big government labs someone with a MSE typically oversees technicians and works with a Ph.D. to ensure the project deliverables are on schedule.  The Ph.D. designs and manages the project scope and coordinates with management.  At least at NIST, all of the management positions in the research labs have the Ph.D.   Hope this helps.



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    Mark R. Stoudt, FASM
    Staff Scientist
    National Institute Standards & Technology
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  • 7.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 14 days ago

    Stephen,

    The other responses here all have major truths! 

    In government and government-like environments such as National Labs, engineers do what technicians do in industry, and you have to be PhD to actually direct programs.  Knowing people at National labs, we characterized it as engineers sweep and prep, MSE's test, and PhDs engineer.  That's a lot of extra education time and expense to get to that point in my opinion.

    Broadening one's knowledge can be really valuable.  Most times in academia, you have to pick a topic for a Master's, then pick a narrow focus of that for a PhD, so eventually you know almost everything about almost nothing.  But not knowing where you will end up, at first or subsequent jobs, it's important to have more than a narrow focus.

    Your experience doing the various testing regimens is really valuable for your knowledge of how things work!  As a research assistant you were really an overqualified, underpaid technician.  However at most employers they don't pay engineers to do all of those tasks, at least hands-on; they pay the engineers to direct others doing those tasks.  The smaller the group that you work with, the more likely you will have continued exposure to work details, or to run your own microscope/analyzer, but the less upward mobility you will have available.  With experience you may be able to become a consultant, but you have to get the experience first.  And individual consultants don't often work in research, though consulting firms may be engaged for their expertise in specific areas of research. 

    Because you're interested in the practical side of testing and analysis, you may want to look into companies that provide testing/or and consulting services for others.  Once you have a couple of years of experience, you may have a better idea of whether to get that Master's and maybe you'll even be working somewhere that values and supports your further education.  Or you may do work for a customer whose business area is very attractive and you may then change direction.

    Not specifying that your R&D dreams are even firmly rooted in Materials?  It sounds to me like you have to focus a little more, in some definite direction.  Even the Materials world is only getting more broad and diverse with every year, and you don't have an unlimited lifetime to explore it all.  Some work experience will either point you in a direction, or at least show you that you aren't interested in <whatever>, and that will maybe help with direction.  Good luck!



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  • 8.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 9 days ago
    1. I think to answer this question, you have to be more specific in your career goals than to just say you want to work in  R&D. What areas of materials do you feel passionate about? Process development, metallurgy, polymers, etc. Your path will be much clearer in defining this goal. Otherwise, you are likely to be working toward something that you hate. 
    2. I have found that he higher your level of education, the less marketable you become because your specialization limits the range of your employment opportunities. I think the sweet spot is a Masters but a PhD would be excellent if you are sure you want to specialize and are passionate about it. 
    3. Your actual working experience and career networking will have a much greater influence on your career than what your CV says about your education. For instance, your experience as a lab assistant is a great plus for you. I know too many engineers in my specialty who have PhDs and/or PE licenses who are not too good at performing the job.
    4. I would note that one does not necessarily need an advanced degree to achieve your goal. There are lots of paths this could go. My personal example is that during undergraduate studies I determined I wanted to work in end-user mechanical metallurgy applications. After I graduated, I worked for a year for a couple of university professors as a lab assistant performing research. This led directly to my first job where I was performing R&D for the railroad industry, which quickly led to my career specialization of failure analysis.


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    Aaron Tanzer
    Principal Research Engineer
    University of Dayton Research Institute
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  • 9.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 9 days ago
    Aaron,

    Thanks for your response and I both understand and appreciate your suggestions but in answering Steve's question, "I would like to go into research and development in the future. It would be great if it was in a Materials setting, but I want to keep my options broad and diverse. What Master's degree would be recommended that would prepare me, and make me look favorable, for research jobs that involve more practical testing as opposed to theoretical design?" I offered as a solution, my choice of a school, MIT, renowned world-wide for its faculty focus on Research and development and, depending on Mr. Para's interest, a multiplicity of opportunities across the spectrum of Material 

    We both know that the world has a multitude of engineers practicing in both materials R & D and its associated application but what I know for sure is that

    A.  An MIT degree is a door opener.
    B. With all due respect, the MIT graduate school faculty wouldn't be at Tech, if like the students, weren't "at the top of the tree".

    C. When it comes to R & D, success in the market place is statistically related to one's advanced degree.

    D. Contrary to the lack of specificity that you felt would have been necessary, my sense, based on Steve's comment, "I would like to go into research and development in the future. It would be great if it was in a Materials setting, but I want to keep my options broad and diverse."  he is not yet certain of his final choice -- the options of which he speaks are open at MIT so why not offer my best advice -- that's what he requested.



    Cordially,

    Gers Ecker

    Gerson S. Ecker, MIT M.E. '55
    EECO Services, Inc. 
    Gers Ecker Handyman Services, LLC
    2400 Lakeview, No. 3006. Chicago, IL 60614
    Phone: 312 848 2347 





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  • 10.  RE: Which Master's degree is best for a career goal in research and development?

    Posted 9 days ago

    I should have further noted in my response to Stephen that the choice of a graduate program is really dictated by the area he will want to concentrate in and the department specifics. Every program has its strengths and weaknesses and they need to be assessed individually when applying to programs. By definition, every MS program program specializes in research so this is fairly meaningless to look for in this context. The world of materials is diverse and one particular school is not strong in all areas to make a blanket recommendation in this regard. You will have to do the research to see which ones are best for your needs.



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    Aaron Tanzer
    Principal Research Engineer - Retired
    University of Dayton Research Institute
    Beavercreek OH
    (407) 247-9557Principal Research Engineer
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